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andrewducker ([personal profile] andrewducker) wrote2011-01-06 11:26 am

Annoyed by politics

I keep seeing articles talking about alliances between the Lib Dems and Conservatives, either for the next election, or for the Oldham East and Saddleworth by-election that's happening a week today. In the latter case, many of the Conservatives basically seem to be saying "We don't have a chance of winning, so you Tory voters should vote LibDem instead, so that Labour don't win."

Not only do I disagree over there being alliances over elections (because it denies people a free choice), but I object to the fact that the current system encourages them. If we had AV then Conservative voters could vote the way they want to (Conservative) and then vote Lib-Dem as a second choice _if that's what they want_. Similarly, Lib-Dem voters could vote Lib-Dem first, and then either Conservative or Labour depending on which they preferred as a second-choice, etc., etc.

That way the parties could concentrate on standing for themselves, and not what other parties are doing, and electoral bargaining could at least wait until _after_ the votes were in.

As it is, the election results won't actually tell us what the honest choices of the electorate are. People will be voting tactically, to keep out the people they oppose, based on guesswork over who has the most chance of winning. It's a horribly broken system.

(Not that I think that AV is the bees knees, but it's decidedly better than FPTP. I think my ideal system would probably be AV with an AMS top-up, but that's a completely different debate.)
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[personal profile] drplokta 2011-01-06 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd prefer to sacrifice non-dictatorship. I don't care if one voter gets his exact preferences, as long as it's not determined in advance who that one voter is going to be.

[identity profile] drdoug.livejournal.com 2011-01-06 03:08 pm (UTC)(link)
How about a Vetinari lottery system? One person, one vote, and you select which person gets that vote from the voters at random after the election? Elegantly immune from many attacks and flaws.

Admittedly, it's not going to meet the Condorcet criterion every time, but does have certain practical advantages. :-)

[identity profile] danieldwilliam.livejournal.com 2011-01-10 09:40 am (UTC)(link)
Not dissimilar to the system used in some ancient Greek city-states where small numbers of citizens were empannelled to run the city by lottery.
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[personal profile] nwhyte 2011-01-06 06:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Hah, I am very sympathetic to that. Makes another to add to my list of objections to Arrow's theorem.
Edited 2011-01-06 18:02 (UTC)