I haven't been following the debate. Has there been mention of:
(a) It being 'opt-in' rather than 'opt-out' for the surfer? (I have a feeling you've talked about this or something similar recently?)
Or
(b) Sites registering themselves (perhaps with some really specific metadata or something simple like that) rather than being picked up by a magic robot?
My knowledge is admittedly limited, but it's always seemed to me as though most internet porn sites are pretty unapologetic about it and there's really little to be gained by them from not opting in since so many of them keep the bulk of their content behind credit card paywalls? I mean, they obviously have advertising too but how many folk really run across porn sites accidentally and are underagers really their desired market? One has to assume not...
Sure there are 'gateway' sites who presumably run on ads and would therefore decline to sign-up as 'adult', but it would be pretty hard to feed a 'serious' porn habit with three minute preview clips from paid sites or amateur vids on PornTube or YouPorn or whatever - indeed, I've always thought that the amateur stuff being really accessible was (a) just not particularly horny (although, again, I'm biased as porn doesn't really do it for me) and more importantly (b) quite nice to have online and accessible because it gave people a nice 'everyday' view of sex and presented all the kinks and twists and bits and bobs in a way that made pretty much anything seem ordinary, and that's, if anything, a good thing. Also people recording stuff in their bedroom and uploading it themselves aren't exactly being 'exploited' so it makes next to no difference to the 'evils' of the porn market itself. The last two porn 'movies' I saw were a couple having sex while their cat pestered them mercilessly, and a guy masturbating into a particularly complicated shoe. Sexy.
Do you have a quote for that? That's the impression I got from news articles, but rob, who I was arguing with, assumed opt-in on the grounds that that would solve the stated purpose equally well, and didn't see why the government would do more than that. I wasn't as optimistic, but couldn't actually see helpful quotes by the minister on what he'd suggest, other than "something".
Looking for it, the original interview seems to have been in the Times, and thus is behind the Great Paywall. However, a good proportion of the stories mention that it will be opt-out, and none suggesst that it will be opt in. Selected quotes from some such stories:
Ed Vaizey, the culture minister, suggested over the weekend that instead of having parents set controls for their children’s internet access, pornographic material would be blocked at source, meaning that adults would have to “opt in” to viewing the websites.
Instead of using parental controls to stop access to pornography - so-called "opting out" - the tap will be turned off at source. Adults will then have to "opt in."...
...Pornography sites will be blocked at source unless people specifically ask to view them.
In an interview with The Sunday Times communications minister and Conservative member of parliament for Wantage & Didcot, Ed Vaizey said he wants Internet service providers to block all pornography unless the subscriber asks to opt-in.
A few days ago I mentioned how UK MP Claire Perry had called for the creation of a mandatory ISP-level porn filter of the Internet. Adults who wish to access porn can opt-in after verifying they are over the age of 18.
Also, the stated reason for 'opt out' rather than opt in is because 15% or more of the population are too stupid to know how to set up and use filters (That's not a direct quote).
All the stuff I've seen makes it look opt-out. I have no objection to people opting in to censorship. And yes, sites registering themselves as child-safe, and agreeing to certain standards is also fine by me, so long as it's voluntary.
The really stupid thing, though, is that people are talking about filtering this stuff at the ISP level.
How exactly, then, do you work it so Dad can view porn, but the kids can't? It's not like each machine will have a different route to the ISP; with IPv4 addresses running out, even if you wanted the additional expense of multiple ADSL or cable routers, there's no alternative to one pipe coming in and sharing it with multiple machines via NAT.
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I haven't been following the debate. Has there been mention of:
(a) It being 'opt-in' rather than 'opt-out' for the surfer? (I have a feeling you've talked about this or something similar recently?)
Or
(b) Sites registering themselves (perhaps with some really specific metadata or something simple like that) rather than being picked up by a magic robot?
My knowledge is admittedly limited, but it's always seemed to me as though most internet porn sites are pretty unapologetic about it and there's really little to be gained by them from not opting in since so many of them keep the bulk of their content behind credit card paywalls? I mean, they obviously have advertising too but how many folk really run across porn sites accidentally and are underagers really their desired market? One has to assume not...
Sure there are 'gateway' sites who presumably run on ads and would therefore decline to sign-up as 'adult', but it would be pretty hard to feed a 'serious' porn habit with three minute preview clips from paid sites or amateur vids on PornTube or YouPorn or whatever - indeed, I've always thought that the amateur stuff being really accessible was (a) just not particularly horny (although, again, I'm biased as porn doesn't really do it for me) and more importantly (b) quite nice to have online and accessible because it gave people a nice 'everyday' view of sex and presented all the kinks and twists and bits and bobs in a way that made pretty much anything seem ordinary, and that's, if anything, a good thing. Also people recording stuff in their bedroom and uploading it themselves aren't exactly being 'exploited' so it makes next to no difference to the 'evils' of the porn market itself. The last two porn 'movies' I saw were a couple having sex while their cat pestered them mercilessly, and a guy masturbating into a particularly complicated shoe. Sexy.
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And yes, sites registering themselves as child-safe, and agreeing to certain standards is also fine by me, so long as it's voluntary.
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How exactly, then, do you work it so Dad can view porn, but the kids can't? It's not like each machine will have a different route to the ISP; with IPv4 addresses running out, even if you wanted the additional expense of multiple ADSL or cable routers, there's no alternative to one pipe coming in and sharing it with multiple machines via NAT.