Andy, my friend, I don't have the time or the inclination to get involved in a pissing contest over this. You saying something, me replying and us both getting nowhere seems like a lot of hard work at this time on a Friday afternoon.
I don't want to get nowhere, nor is this a pissing contest. I'm genuinely interested in what you have to say. I was (and still am) trying to communicate, to find out what you believe and why you believe it. I'm not firmly convinced of anything and if you have a good reason for what you believe in I'll quite likely be convinced by it.
You know as well as I do that I'm not standing behuind Bush shouting "kill the for'n people!", but on the other hand I'm not a pacifist either, which is what you seemed to be espousing. If I'm failing to understand what you mean I really would like to you to explain to me so I can understand where you're coming from.
Okay, okay, okay. Jeez you're pushy. I'll keep this brief. This is eating into valuable Mario Sunshine time .
I think there is no justification for war at this time. Without a common concensus in the UN... other channels still open for investigation... destabilisation of the middle east yadda yadda yadda, all obvious stuff. And yeah, Saddam has a horrific human rights record but to be frank he can join the fucking queue. The appauling shit I get from Amnesty International breaks my heart. Countries like China, Haiti, Isreal (key US ally in the Middle East. Hmmmmm) Zimbabwe and (lawks) the good old US of A.
I was wondering today whether we still would have gone in *without* the human rights issues. Not sure to be honest. I get the feeling that they would have found another excuse.
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andrewducker) wrote2003-03-20 11:17 am
Re: No.
Re: No.
You know as well as I do that I'm not standing behuind Bush shouting "kill the for'n people!", but on the other hand I'm not a pacifist either, which is what you seemed to be espousing. If I'm failing to understand what you mean I really would like to you to explain to me so I can understand where you're coming from.
Re: No.
I think there is no justification for war at this time. Without a common concensus in the UN... other channels still open for investigation... destabilisation of the middle east yadda yadda yadda, all obvious stuff. And yeah, Saddam has a horrific human rights record but to be frank he can join the fucking queue. The appauling shit I get from Amnesty International breaks my heart. Countries like China, Haiti, Isreal (key US ally in the Middle East. Hmmmmm) Zimbabwe and (lawks) the good old US of A.
I was wondering today whether we still would have gone in *without* the human rights issues. Not sure to be honest. I get the feeling that they would have found another excuse.