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[identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com 2009-10-01 12:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Minor semantic point and I'm not condoning anything, but according to the evidence Roman Polanski is neither legally not clinically a paedophile.

[identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com 2009-10-01 12:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I was really just calling foul on your wording, not theirs. I'm not sure what to say about theirs.

I honestly think the whole thing was political maneuvering on Switzerland's part.

I also think that putting a 76 year old man who, as far as we know (and let's be honest, we'd probably at least have heard rumours) has done nothing suspect in the 30 years since the original case, and whose victim has precious little animosity towards him, is bordering on the pointless. But that's because I believe in imprisoning people (a) to keep them from doing harm and (b) to discourage them from reoffending, and neither points really apply here.

That being said, he should never have skipped bail.

That being said, his judge shouldn't have reneged on his plea bargain.

That being said, he should never have been given a bargain that let him off jail time in the first place.

And of course we don't want to encourage child molesters to skip the country, filmmakers or not. Which maybe satisfies point (a) above.


...So I guess what I'm saying is that whatever happens now, to my mind, is a bit pointless and doesn't make anyone involved look good, and as such all the to-ing and fro-ing more bores me than anything else.

[identity profile] broin.livejournal.com 2009-10-01 12:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Nicely put.

[identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com 2009-10-01 12:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I know exactly why people want him freed. It's because they expect an example to made if he gets back into a courtroom, and for him to spend the last years of his life in prison, and they his release as the only way out. And I don't know about you, but I think they may well be right.

[identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com 2009-10-01 12:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I know that I personally would feel the same about any 76 year old man who I reckoned not to be a thread to society who faced jail. But yeah, I doubt there'd be a celebrity petition.

Then again, you weren't particularly up-in-arms about the rash of people who petitioned to have Alan Turing receive an official apology from the UK Gov rather than the thousands of faceless, nameless men who suffered the same tortures and iniquities, were you? Stop press, celebrities get more attention.

*Edit* Although I realise that you're also suggesting that they might have the opposite opinion if it was a normal fugitive, not that they simply wouldn't give it their attention. I'm not even sure on that one - I'd imagine few could say.
Edited 2009-10-01 13:01 (UTC)

[identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com 2009-10-01 12:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Also:

One wonders if there are any crimes they would want attendees to be arrested for.

...Watching Uwe Boll films?

[identity profile] marrog.livejournal.com 2009-10-01 04:37 pm (UTC)(link)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophilia#Diagnosis

I was referring to the DSM diagnostic criteria.

My remembering was actually that it was under 13 (ie: 12 and younger) which is apparently slightly wrong (although now that I think about it I think maybe in the UK it's 12 and 13 in the US), so theoretically Polanski could qualify (although these things are by no means cut and dried of course). But there you go anyway.
Edited 2009-10-01 16:38 (UTC)