andrewducker | Self-identification

I'm an INTP, of course - the classic geek :->

Edited 2009-08-20 13:00 (UTC)

As am I, though I clicked the wrong button.

You can change the results by taking the poll again.

The J-P preference isn't really about whether people prefer to judge or perceive. We all do both, and there are social weightings attached to the words that make this a sub-optimal frame.

It's really about whether people prefer to be in the S-N data gathering mode (perceivers) or the T-F decision-making mode (judgers). Put another way, Js make decisions as early as possible in a process and Ps as late as possible.

Sorry to be picky but it's easy to mess up typing because people don't want to be labelled judgmental or lacking in perception. (Obviously the naming conventions for the other dimensions have just as many problems.)

It's most obvious in approach to planning a project. Your classic J works day by day, showing steady progress; your classic P skits about all over the place with no apparent plan until suddenly everything falls together just after the deadline.

I worked out long ago that lots of line managers are very J and respond really well to little weekly progress charts.

your classic P skits about all over the place with no apparent plan until suddenly everything falls together just after the deadline.

Oh God, it's me!

The majority of the SCS are apparently INTJ.

INFJ

Me too. One test claimed this was the same as Jesus, which I found amusing. :)

What's also interesting is that it's been at least 5 years since the last time I did Myers Briggs and it's still the same result.

Me three! I've looked back on previous results and mine has changed. Five years ago it was INTJ, three years ago ISFJ and now INFJ. I guess it partly depends on my mood.

Another Myers-Briggs twin!

introvert (noun) a shy, reticent, and typically self-centered person.

I think you need to reconsider your definition, because what you're claiming to mark someone as introverted doesn't necessarily match up with people who are, according to the definition of the word, introverted. I'm not shy, reticent or self-centred, but by your definition I'm introverted. Yes, I find social occasions draining - that's because I put energy into them, and nothing to do with being introverted.

And that test fails, because it isn't fannish enough. There's no way I'm going to tell it I feel involved with "TV soaps" but Battlestar Galactica and Heroes both got me very deeply involved... :P

Edited 2009-08-20 13:06 (UTC)

Not my definition. One that I've seen in use all over the place. On the introversion/extroversion scale, it's generally described as extroverts get energy from being around people and introverts use energy up being around people. I know extroverts who put a lot of energy into social occasions - and they come out with _more_ than they went in with...

It may be a definition that is commonly used, but it conflicts with what the word actually means. Introverted people are shy people, people who don't like engaging with other people, people who tend to look inside themselves. If you're comfortable to plunge into new social situations and go "hey, I'm John!", then I'd argue that you're not really introverted no matter how much energy you find it could take up.

By the way, I am, apparently, ENFJ, although that could change to ESFP if I answered slightly differently, I think, given how slight the N and J are. Some of the questions were badly worded, I felt.

Edited 2009-08-20 13:13 (UTC)

Introverted and extroverted are not in the 'normal' definition within these tests.
It's about looking at the world, ie the whole perspective/big picture or the details.

It's a lot more complicated than that obviously

Perhaps in those tests, but I have a feeling that people who responded to Andy's previous polls were probably judging whether they were introverted or not by the definition of the word, rather than in the test's context, which would be why so many people that Andy would define as introverted would come out as being extroverted – if you use a definition that isn't the dictionary one without making that clear, then you're going to find there are discrepancies between what you think things should look like and what they actually look like.

Which is a very good point!

Why thanks! :D

I'm kind of the opposite - I always come out as extroverted in the Myers-Briggs tests but would call myself introverted by the classical definition. I absolutely love being around people and don't mind crowds/big groups, but I can also be pretty quiet within said groups, unless I have a reason to be otherwise. I can be shy around new people and take a while to 'come out of my shell', but I don't find people draining and indeed find that being around them can help soothe me when I'm feeling ruffled or otherwise 'off'. So I guess it helps to clarify which definition you're talking about in order to make sure everyone's on the same page, otherwise you might get mixed results.

I don't find people draining and indeed find that being around them can help soothe me when I'm feeling ruffled or otherwise 'off'.

Thats the MB definition of an extrovert. It's not about being quiet or loud. I am loud, but score extreme I. My partner who is quiet is nearer the middle.

Yup - as I said, I come out as E on tests even though by the 'classical' definition I'm not always loud or gregarious and outgoing. The term can actually mean different things depending on how you look at it, so while I'm happy to accept that it does mean it can get confusing if you're not sure which one you're looking at. :)

Yeah, I wasn't trying to discredit the test, more just pointing out that it's important to be clear with your definitions. You seem like an awesome person so I've added you as a friend, hope you don't mind. :)

*nods* I'm the converse, I'm moderately introvert on the tests, which feels right to me, but when I tell people, people always think I am introvert, because I do make time to generate social interactions. I just don't want them *all* the time, IYSWIM.

Um, I meant extrovert the second time. Editing fail.... :)

True dat :)

I'm not sure where I get energy, but I know there's a boundary that requires energy to get over from "time by myself" to "time with others" that I often don't feel the energy to climb.

"Your" test [1] gives ENFJ for me today, but J with a "1%". (though retaking the test, with some different answers [2], I get ENFJ again but with a stronger J!)

[1] There are many of these tests online, this is the one you chose.
[2] I retook the test reading the questions like "You prefer to act immediately rather than speculate about various options" in a different way. First time I read that I felt it unfair as I like to do both, and answered "yes" as I like to act immediately otherwise things don't get done ... but I also like to speculate about the various options, so the second time I said "no" as I don't prefer one to the other, I like both.

My version comes from the 'formal' version I did on a work course a few years ago rather than any of the online ones that are available, so may be a little more reliable.

My extrovert friends who put huge energy into large gatherings, leave them bouncing with energy.

And this is why I, who do just fine at social gatherings and put a lot of energy into them, am an I on M-B, because after that, I go to sleep.

This is one where

pennski and I are different. She tends to be energised from spending time with people, whereas as much as I enjoy spending time with my friends I usually need a rest afterwards. Hence I'm a classic 'I' in MB terms!

INTJ. Which looks about right.

Snap!

Me too!

ENFP, baby!

For a part of my adolescence, I definitely tended toward the more introverted, and I still get tetchy if I'm around people too long, but I remember I once went to a therapist and told her that I'd originally perceived myself as being an introvert, and she laughed (politely) in my face. I guess I'm stuck being a people person!

I'm an introverted people person too. I _love_ people, but I can't cope with many of them for long. Going on family holidays generally drives me to hide in my room for long periods, as does anything else with lots of people there. I think it's great that all those people are there, I just get drained after a few hours.

ENFJ (Although just barely F and J BTW. That could change tommorrow were I to take the test again...).

Why Jungian typology? I feel dirty now...

Myers Briggs is the one test that seems to actually work, descriptively, in my experience. Ok, The Big Five personality test works too, but it doesn't have the same flavour - whereas MBTI descriptions seem to actually grab people's imaginations.

The Big five personality tests are pretty robust. Myers-Briggs I'm not so sure about.

Oh, it definitely has problems. It's not perfect, and people change more than they'd have you believe. Still probably my favourite of the categorising tests.

The bits on Wikipedia for Reliability and Validity are particularly interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator#Validity

"Within each dichotomy scale, as measured on Form G, about 83% of categorizations remain the same when individuals are retested within nine months, and around 75% when individuals are retested after nine months."

And apparently the dichotomies work pretty well - but people who are near the centre can turn up as being in either camp depending on the context of the test. I've been known to show up as either INFP or ENTP on rare occasion, but mostly I'm a solid INTP.

I love Myers-Briggs, but I think one problem it has is that it (kind of) assumes that traits cluster around binary poles - when I suspect that measures may have a normal distribution. So M-B would emphasise introversion vs extroversion, and it's possble most people might be around the middle?

The reason this doesn't discredit the system in my eyes is that (as you say) de facto the descriptions seem to work so well. I've read all types of descriptions of 'myself', from astrology to wevo-psych but ENTP is the only one which was like a flash of light. OMG I'm not a failure as a human being I'm just a minority type!

"One study reports that the MBTI dichotomies exhibit good split-half reliability; however, the dichotomy scores are distributed in a bell curve"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator#Reliability

And my feelings about it are much the same as yours :->

http://www.skepdic.com/barnum.html

"The Barnum effect is the name given to a type of subjective validation in which a person finds personal meaning in statements that could apply to many people."

http://www.skepdic.com/myersb.html

Except that this doesn't apply to MB - it does apply to astrology/fortune telling "You are a person of medium height, who likes cute fluffy animals, hates things that suck, and are constantly thwarted by bureaucracy" - but I've read all of the different MB types - and while there are similarities with ones that are just one type different (ENTP versus INTP) - show me an ESFJ and it doesn't sound like me at all.

I love Myers Briggs

INTJs most of the way. Now there's a surprise (not). In quick and dirty poll I did for The Inter-Galactic Playground, NTJ dominated, with NTP not far behind.

And I'm an INTJ although usually pretty close on the N/S axis.

Edited 2009-08-20 13:35 (UTC)

Sounds about right. The biggest thing I expect is for nearly all of my friends to be N, I also expect more T than F, but not in such an extreme manner.

The N/S seems to be very susceptible to the type of work I'm doing.

Doesn't surprise me. Abstract thinking is one of the things that causes real divides.

It's also the attribute that has the biggest difference in the general population: 73% sensing, 27% intuitive.

When we did the test at work all but two of the team (of about 12) came out as 'I' - which given we were a group of functional analysts in no real surprise.

Interestingly I was the only one of the men in the group who came out as an 'F' rather than a 'T'. Also interesting is that this came as no surprise to anyone!

My MB results to actually tie in quite well with the 'Insights' tests I did a few months ago.

'ENFPs are both "idea"-people and "people"-people, who see everyone and everything as part of an often bizarre cosmic whole.'
That kind of made me lol, it is actually all very true of me, but I didn't realise other people and things didn't know they were part of an often bizarre cosmic whole! What do they think they're part of?!

They don't.

They see lots of bits, and not a big cohesive thing.

I'm slightly surprised actually - I've generally come up as ENTP, but this shows me as ENFP.

I seem to have become more touchy-feely myself recently :->

Mmm. I'm wondering if it was the phrasing of the questions on that particular incarnation of the test. I thought the T/F divide was about how you primarily make decisions (in which case I'm blatently T), whereas there were quite a lot of questions about how good you are at empathising and expressing feelings and whatnot, which strikes me as tangential, but is probably where the high F score caame from.

I moved from ENTP to ENFP with parenthood. I still call myself ENTP.

Oi! There isn't a box for 'Couldn't give a toss about tiresome binary opposites dreampt up by yankee mind-doctors for the edification of navel-gazers and witless corporate recruiters' types.

That'd be ESFJ :->

ENTP (suprise, surprise)

I have once tested out as ENTJ (must have been in a funny mood!)

I'm IST... but I refrained from answering the J/P one, since I get each result approximately equally often.

I'm still a huge ENFP. Well, E89 N12 F62 P56, so not hugely N I guess. But still.

Better than being one of those awful S people :->

INTJ, as usual. Oddly, this test said I was only marginally "T" (by 1%) and yet INTJ has come up every time I take the Myers-Briggs.

-- Steve looked at the "good fit" careers suggested by the personality test, and notes he's bombed out on more than a few of those in his checkered past. Caveat lector.

I think this particular test is bringing people out much F-er than usual.

ESTP, same as always

ESTJ.

Sounds about right :->

I think this is a rather weak implementation of MBTI (which is of course copyrighted); many of the questions are non-standard and rather strange.

Yeah - I don't know of an actively good one, and obviously you have to pay to do one properly.

It did also bring me out more F than usual.

Apparently I'm the first ISFP (to comment, at least, I'm not going to trawl through the poll answers to find another :-) ). Career-wise, I'm not so sure, though, I'm firmly in IT, and I'd really be pushing it to claim that any of my code is a work of art :-)

INTJ. Tried posting earlier so sorry if only a bit came out - lappy crashed.
I thought the accompanying analyses(?) were pretty bang on. I especially the "Mastermind" bit. Mua ha ha ha. Feel like I should be dressing up as an evil X-man now.

Especially *liked* the Mastermind bit. obv.

Glad to hear it :->

It is funny how many people click with their MB archetypes!

The one time I sat a Myers-Briggs, I failed - there were too many questions that I couldn't answer, given that there was no right answer for me to give (and certainly not either of the options offered).

As a rule, I dislike all personality tests. They're still a little too closely related to their ancestral origins, namely intelligence tests (and all the unpleasant eugenics-style posturing that went with them in the nineteenth century). Myers-Briggs, however, is a little more suspect than most: the originators had no real training in psychology or human testing.

The organisation that owns, publishes and scores the test has a deeply vested financial interest in promoting the test as a "tool", whilst carefully backing away from any responsibility for the categories that are applied as a result. The "trained practitioners" who interpret the results are quite thorough on reminding you that you shouldn't take any of the descriptions (or even your final type) as absolute. There's also a bit in the official manual warning that the test should not be used to assign or exclude people in particular jobs.

With a little gentle questioning, the "trained practitioners" even admit that people sitting the test can actually change their type according to the circumstances of testing, the time of day, recent activities and so on. Have these people ever heard of test-retest reliability?

I think I've got that off my chest now.

ENTJ, which is supposedly one of the rarer personality types.

1st time I've ever identified myself as extroverted, and some would be surprised, but it's definitely true... I love being with other people, and draw energy from it.

I was an I last time I did the Myers-Briggs test, but it's been a while... it'll be interesting to see what it rates me this time...

ESTJ, although I used to be more ESFJ. I get the impression this is rare in respondents here!

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