[identity profile] endless-psych.livejournal.com 2009-07-15 04:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Would you be in favour of someone being invited to such a talk to argue for the use of homeopathic remedies because in their personal experience they aided effective thinking/learning?

Or, to use an actual example, a company to send along a representitive to say that Omega 3 fish oils aid concentration etc and that this would aid learning? (Durham Fish oil trials) In order to sell more fish oil?

Asides from that I just noticed this paragraph (which I missed last time round):
"Obviously, in limited time there is much that must be omitted on a subject as large as tough learning. There is one important omission I’d like to at least mention. The three principles I describe are focused largely on individual actions, and ignore the larger social context – the norms and institutions of the societies in which we live, and how those affect the applicability of the principles. This social context obviously has an enormous impact on tough learning, and deserves separate treatment."

Which does hedge the talk back into the realms of respectability somewhat... The three priciples are still however at too high a level of abstraction to be considered as anything other then platitudes but.

[identity profile] endless-psych.livejournal.com 2009-07-15 04:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Well strange rock formations is well within the domain of psychology and neuroscience as it is (it's all pattern recognition dontcha know - simulcrua (sp?)and such).

I'm all for the open exchange of ideas. My initial ire was perhaps misguided as the hedging seems to make it reasonable. So the anger about how I believed him to be presenting his idea was wrong.

I mean the problem with the argument as I was arguing against it is peoples tendencies not to employ critical thinking and condescend to their own preconceptions. You can sleepwalk into a whole lot of bad doing that.

Also nothing I have said discounts any of the above or precludes the free and open exchange of ideas. To do so implies a false dichotomy. I can quite happily disagree with people using their position to imply the veracity of an argument from their position of authority. Because that is wrong. This doesn't not make me against the free and open exchange of ideas.

I may be mistaken in this case but if it were a genuine abuse of position... Say people using Watsons (it wasn't Crick come to think of it was it?) authority, as one of discoverers of the double helix, to back up their racist ideas and claim that those damned blacks are congenitally and genetically inferior to humans... Then the implication that I am against the free and open exchange of ideas doesn't hold.