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andrewducker) wrote2009-07-15 10:49 am
andrewducker) wrote2009-07-15 10:49 am
Spoiler Discussion - (spoiler free)
In the last couple of days I've been in discussion with a couple of different people about spoilers. One of them about BSG season 2 (now two years old) and the other about HP:Half Blood Prince (now four years old), with them considering that as they'd experienced them years ago, they couldn't possibly be considered spoilers.
Which is the exact opposite of how I feel about it. Because there are movies I still haven't seen fronm the 1950s, where discussion of the twist in the tale would spoil the movie for me. And I'm very aware that the majority of people who go to see the new HP movie won't have read the book.
To me, spoilers are all about politeness. If you tell someone the end/twist of something they didn't know, and will possibly experience in the future, when they didn't want to know, then you've spoiled that experience for them. I remember the feeling of watching Empire Strikes Back and discovering that Han and Chewied were lovers. The shock and surprise at the moment of reveal was an integral part of the experience for me, and taking it away from people that haven't seen the movie yet is just plain rude.
Now, you can argue that it being years old, the chances that people on your friends list haven't seen Empire Strikes Back is low. Which is true if you're posting friends-only and have nobody under the age of 20 on your friends list. But it's not like the olden days, when a movie would appear, and then vanish again, when TV that had made the rounds was lost. Nowadays I can go out and buy box sets for TV made before I was born, and watch it entirely fresh. There are more hours of TV and movies out there than I have time to watch in my whole life, and the chances are that some will be watched years out of synch with their original release. And I'd really appreciate you not telling me the details before I do!
Obviously I consider all of the following to be spoilers. I'm curious whether you do too. If you don't then I'd love to know why...
[Poll #1430090]
Also: NO SPOILERS IN THE COMMENTS!
Which is the exact opposite of how I feel about it. Because there are movies I still haven't seen fronm the 1950s, where discussion of the twist in the tale would spoil the movie for me. And I'm very aware that the majority of people who go to see the new HP movie won't have read the book.
To me, spoilers are all about politeness. If you tell someone the end/twist of something they didn't know, and will possibly experience in the future, when they didn't want to know, then you've spoiled that experience for them. I remember the feeling of watching Empire Strikes Back and discovering that Han and Chewied were lovers. The shock and surprise at the moment of reveal was an integral part of the experience for me, and taking it away from people that haven't seen the movie yet is just plain rude.
Now, you can argue that it being years old, the chances that people on your friends list haven't seen Empire Strikes Back is low. Which is true if you're posting friends-only and have nobody under the age of 20 on your friends list. But it's not like the olden days, when a movie would appear, and then vanish again, when TV that had made the rounds was lost. Nowadays I can go out and buy box sets for TV made before I was born, and watch it entirely fresh. There are more hours of TV and movies out there than I have time to watch in my whole life, and the chances are that some will be watched years out of synch with their original release. And I'd really appreciate you not telling me the details before I do!
Obviously I consider all of the following to be spoilers. I'm curious whether you do too. If you don't then I'd love to know why...
[Poll #1430090]
Also: NO SPOILERS IN THE COMMENTS!
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If I tell you X will happen, will it spoil the experience of you finding it out at the point where the creator wanted you to find it out? Yes? Then it is a spoiler.
It's not a spoiler to say that Romeo and Juliette die because that fact is presented within the first few lines of the play and it's a bit difficult to discuss the generics of the play without some nod to that at least. Some stuff is in the collective consciousness - I think most people, regardless of whether they've watched the source material, know about Rosebud - but it still spoils, ie detracts from, the experience if you go in ahead of time with that knowledge.
Not spoiling stuff for other people is just good manners. And that's not just "spolers" spoiling, it's about anything you might do that will detract from someone else's experience of something - talking through a film at the cinema, smoking in a restaurant. They're all things that (usually) not going to make the experience worthless or totally destroy it, but it'd be nice if you just *didn't*.
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