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[andrewducker]

From the observation last night in conversation with Lilian that people complain about speed cameras all the time, but you rarely hear anyone saying that the actual limit should be raised.

Note for for'n types - speeds are in MPH.

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Comments

[chuma.livejournal.com]

Yes ofcourse it matters. If you are just pushing a problem from one raod to another you are just diverting traffic and accidents to surrounding roads.

I'm a bit disturbed

[nuttyxander.livejournal.com]

What part of "There was no evidence that accidents increased on surrounding roads" is it that you don't like?

Re: I'm a bit disturbed

[chuma.livejournal.com]

The part where...
a, you didn't say it and infact haven't commented yet so your utterly condescending nature is laughably out of place and...
b, I have intelligence and logic and know that AS A DRIVER I wouldn't drive in 20 mph roads given a choice.

Infact the "evidence that accidents increased on surrounding roads" isn't required, just give us the throughput of traffic on those roads that dropped their speed limits to 20 mph and if that traffic has dropped in line with the rate of accidents then the figures are manipulation of statistics.

Additionally, *I* asked the question. If you can't answer it, shut the fuck up and let someone more qualified than you speak. If you can, contribute the data rather than being a prick and trying to sound elitist when you have no basis in your asinine comments for being so.


Does that answer your question? Or would you like me to tear apart your flippant little comments further?

Re: I'm a bit disturbed

[andrewducker]

a) Pointing out a bit of argument he believes you've overlooked or are deliberately avoiding is perfectly reasonable.
b) Swearing at someone and calling them names is most definitely not.

If you don't like his tone, then please tell him so politely, rather than descending into a slagging match.

Re: I'm a bit disturbed

[nuttyxander.livejournal.com]

I'll comment on here in whatever order I see fit it you don't mind. If you are insisting that your comments are all based on logic and intelligence and some superiority related to your having a driving licence and a pair of wheels that's fine. However, I don't, for example use a wheelchair, but it still pisses me royally off when I see pavements obstructed by anything: cars, roadworks, people even to make life that little bit harder for those without choices.

And that's the thing, a child lives where they're brought up. They don't commute tens of miles by car to get to work. They just want to cross the road, see their friends, whatever. And maybe it is sensible that we discourage drivers such as yourself from driving down their street and instead driving down a trunk road or a main street where there are lighted crossings and other safer ways to cross.

If all you want is data, then go and look it up, I'm not your google-bot and I'll respond as I see fit within the realms of polite-ish conversation. Apologies if my tone has made you go off on one, but this is the internet and strong opinions do go with the territory.

One question, would you shop by preference in a supermarket that had a 30mph speed limit in their car park rather than 10mph or 5mph or do you understand that in such a place the road has a higher utility for storing vehicles and balancing that need with the safety of pedestrians reaching them and passing them than enabling the cars to leave and enter quickly?