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andrewducker ([personal profile] andrewducker) wrote2008-09-11 01:16 pm

Zoom!

From the observation last night in conversation with Lilian that people complain about speed cameras all the time, but you rarely hear anyone saying that the actual limit should be raised.

Note for for'n types - speeds are in MPH.

[Poll #1257772]

[identity profile] chuma.livejournal.com 2008-09-11 01:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Whoever thought the motorway speed limits should be 60 has clearly never driven on a motorway.

Personally I dont think general road speed limits need to be raised, but I think the policy of changing roads from 60 to 40 or from 40 to 30 for no reason needs to be stopped and reversed. I also think that using road narrowing instead of speed bumps is utterly stupid - they CAUSE accidents. Speedbumps at least have the amusing side effect of breaking the front spoilers on chavs cars.

[identity profile] endless-psych.livejournal.com 2008-09-11 03:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Road narrowing was one of the measures mentioned in a well publicised traffic psychology (or such) paper. No road markings was also something that was found to decrease traffic.

Unfortunatly one of the major reccomendations (or worries rather) of the report was that if this information was in the public domain. I.E. the public were aware they were being duped the traffic calming measures that worked previously would cease to be as effective.

Well done the Dept. of transport for publicising the reports findings then. (although I can't remember what its called I remember being quite amused at the time)

[identity profile] chuma.livejournal.com 2008-09-11 04:09 pm (UTC)(link)
That's all kinds of great :)

However, as I have tried to drill into people above on my previous comment, it wouldn't decrease traffic, it would decrease traffic FLOW on those particular roads. The traffic still has to go somewhere and people are clever buggers. If you put a few roads as 20mph or stick in a load of speed bumps, they will find alternatic routes. If this is the plan, great - success. If the plan is however to reduce ALL accidents, you have just moved the problem from one area to another.

[identity profile] endless-psych.livejournal.com 2008-09-11 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Well if you move it to less accident prone areas or stretchs of roads then jobs a good 'un no?

Roads in built up residential areas with young families, schools etc are likely to have a higher probability of accidents occuring (not involving just veichles that is) then back roads through industrial estates...

Or as someone else has pointed out on major urban trunk roads.

[identity profile] chuma.livejournal.com 2008-09-11 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Would work in small towns where you put it on residential areas or the main high street, but in larger towns it isn't practical without bringing traffic to a near standstill. Oh and speedometers are also notoriously bad at being accurate at lower speeds (don't know which way they are bad, be it reading too fast or too slow - been a while since I read the stats and article on them).
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[identity profile] pizza.maircrosoft.com (from livejournal.com) 2008-09-17 03:53 am (UTC)(link)
The traffic still has to go somewhere

Do you think that's entirely true? Do you not that think that there would gradually be a shift in the way people think about what's feasible to drive and in their behaviour - for example, planning trips to the shops more carefully if "just popping to the shop" now takes twice as long; adjusting their ideas of how far they'd plausibly commute to work, whatever...

[identity profile] chuma.livejournal.com 2008-09-11 04:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Thankyou :)