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Date: 2017-06-14 12:24 pm (UTC)
rmc28: Rachel smiling against background of trees, with newly-cut short hair (Default)
From: [personal profile] rmc28
If I buy comics at all, I buy digitally, which apparently gets ignored just like trade sales get ignored.

Date: 2017-06-14 12:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drplokta
I was 15 during the winter of discontent. Don't think I've ever voted Tory.

Date: 2017-06-14 01:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] danieldwilliam
I wonder if the ten years of Tory government will be seen by my daughter's age group as akin the Winter of Discontent in slow motion - a reason to never, ever, vote Conservative that stays with them for the whole of their life.

Date: 2017-06-14 02:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] calimac
"Changeover point is of people who were 10 during Winter of Discontent. Which _still_ has my parents voting Conservative."

Then this screed is true.
And the elders rose up and said to the young people, If ye choose Jeremy, he will bring distress in your toils and wailing upon your streets. Do ye not remember the nineteen-seventies?
And the young people said, The what?

Date: 2017-06-14 02:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] doug
"Labour/Conservative crossover occurs at age 47"

This is slightly perturbing me because I will shortly reach age 47 and was not planning on changing my vote in this way.

Date: 2017-06-14 07:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] doug
I do remember it, and earlier industrial woes of the 70s - I have vivid memories of the blackouts and coal rationing.

It was great. I was terribly excited about the blackouts and was very pleased with being able to read and understand the timetables showing when there was a low, medium or high risk of a power cut. But that must have been during the Three Day Week and that was all Ted Heath's fault.

Which, come to think of it, was another time a Tory PM went to the polls early in a huff to try to increase their political clout and achieved the precise opposite.

Date: 2017-06-14 07:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] calimac
There may have been a history of this. Another example: Stanley Baldwin, 1923.

Date: 2017-06-14 09:04 pm (UTC)
doug: (Default)
From: [personal profile] doug
Huh. Oh yes. Although one could argue that Baldwin was acting honourably rather than out of (misplaced) political expediency in honouring the pledge at the previous election not to introduce tariffs without a further election. But you're right that it did collapse around his ears in a way he entirely didn't expect, much as with Heath and May.

Date: 2017-06-15 03:40 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] calimac
Baldwin was acting honorably within the framework he'd invented, but historians I've read are dubious about the framework. That enacting tariffs was so urgent seems dubious, not least because they weren't enacted and the world didn't end. (Well, there was a General Strike, but the lack of tariffs didn't do that; rather the opposite.)

One could argue that May was likewise being honorable in seeking a mandate for her Brexit policy, but the logic to do so would be twisted, and I'm dubious about it in Baldwin's case too.

Date: 2017-06-15 08:59 am (UTC)
doug: (Default)
From: [personal profile] doug
Good points all.

I think there would be a stronger argument about May's honour in seeking a mandate for her Brexit policy if there were a clearer sign from her that she felt that it had been rejected and must therefore be abandoned
Edited Date: 2017-06-15 08:59 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-06-14 09:08 pm (UTC)
doug: (Default)
From: [personal profile] doug
Also, the main thing I think of when I think of Stanley Baldwin is Bertrand Russell advising people not to smite him on the cheek, since although Russell didn't doubt that Baldwin was a very sincere Christian, he thought you might find that Baldwin thought Jesus's maxim about turning the other cheek was intended in a figurative sense.

Date: 2017-06-15 03:35 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] calimac
I finally looked at the Beatles rating, and found it rather exasperating. Not only do I disagree with the relative ratings, I do so even more with the absolute rankings. Only after you get up to about no. 90 does he consistently like the songs he's rating, so by far most of the writeup is a lot of grouchiness. He brushes off a lot of obscure but really well-crafted songs. I'd prefer to see the Beatles rated by somebody who actually likes the Beatles, and not just a few of their songs. Further, the digressions attempting to turn the writeup into a history of the group is really irritating; a review this detailed is really only of interest to people who would already know things like that Ringo was ill most of his childhood and that Paul and Linda had a happy marriage.

Date: 2017-06-15 05:46 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] randomdreams
I was just reading about the winter of discontent yesterday, albeit because of three-day weeks and the collapse of British Leyland.

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